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Hi guys! There are some vegans out there who try to debunk my claims about veganism, and they use scientific sources to prove me wrong. Like I said, you can find so-called scientific sources to prove pretty much everything. And one of the things that some of these vegans has claimed is that, for example, 33% of the American population is B12 deficient. And this was supposed to prove that meat-eaters too are B12 deficient, and even more so than vegans. And as you know, I don't believe in these scientific sources because they are made by people with an interest. But, you know, they believe in them, so I'm going to show you some sources claiming something else. Big surprise, right? And I will try to put some print screens of these scientific sources here to show that I'm right. And in case you can't read that properly, I'm going to put some links in the video description below to the scientific sources proving that vegans are B12 deficient, more so than everybody else. That they are iron deficient, that they are zinc deficient, that they lack all sorts of stuff. And that veganism basically is dangerous to those who follow this religious cult, because that's what it is. And I may add that I sympathize with people who are vegans because they care about animal rights, and that's understandable. But veganism is the least nutritious diet we have. And in order to survive as a vegan you need supplements, you need artificial supplements.^[1] And I don't know about you, but I don't see that as a good thing. So, that's it really. I can actually add in the end that I don't really have a dog in this fight, I don't really care if veganism is good or not, but what I care about is facts. And the facts suggest strongly that veganism is not good. And since it's not good, I don't want it promoted in my greater tribe, because it'll hurt my greater tribe. I don't want that. I want my tribe to prevail, to survive, to get stronger, smarter. And, by the way, vegan children also, as these scientific reports tell us, are dumber than meat-eating children. So, there you go. I'll end with that. Actually, I will add in relation to what I just said, that vegan children are dumber than other children, than meat-eaters. This is proven scientifically, but we can't really trust these scientific reports. Because what if people who become vegans are dumber than people who choose to continue eating meat? Then the diet has nothing to do with the fact that their children are dumber. And things like this are why I really don't care too much about these scientific reports. Because they don't tell us about all the factors, they don't take everything into account. And sometimes, and quite often, they lie to us. Maybe not even intentionally. And sometimes even intentionally. But the vegans I talk to, the science is great, and they believe blindly in it, as long as it supports their theory, that is. So, I'm going to give you these scientific links. Scientific reports!^{[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17]}

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1. Synthetic, that is. Not artificial.
2. The most recent studies using more sensitive techniques for detecting B12 deficiency have found that 68% of vegetarians and 83% of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to just 5% of omnivores.
3. A significant association between cobalamin [B12] status and performance on tests measuring fluid intelligence, spatial ability and short-term memory with formerly vegan kids scoring lower than omnivorous kids in each case.
4. A common myth amongst vegetarians and vegans is that it's possible to get B12 from plant sources like seaweed, fermented soy, spirulina and brewers yeast. But plant foods said to contain B12 actually contain B12 analogs called cobamides that block the intake of, and increase the need for, true B12.
5. On paper, calcium intake is similar in vegetarians and omnivores (probably because both eat dairy products), but is much lower in vegans, who are often deficient.
6. However, calcium bioavailability from plant foods is affected by their levels of oxalate and phytate, which are inhibitors of calcium absorption and thus decrease the amount of calcium the body can extract from plant foods. (5a) So while leafy greens like spinach and kale have relatively high calcium content, the calcium is not efficiently absorbed during digestion.
7. One study suggests that it would take 16 servings of spinach to get the same amount of absorbable calcium as an 8 ounce glass of milk.
8. Overt zinc deficiency is not often seen in Western vegetarians, but their intake often falls below recommendations. This is another case where bioavailability is important; many plant foods that contain zinc also contain phytate, which inhibits zinc absorption. Vegetarian diets tend to reduce zinc absorption by about 35% compared with omnivorous diet.
9. Thus, even when the diet meets or exceeds the RDA for zinc, deficiency may still occur. One study suggested that vegetarians may require up to 50% more zinc than omnivores for this reason.
10. While it is possible for some alpha-linolenic acid from plant foods to be converted into EPA & DHA, that conversion is poor in humans: between 5-10% for EPA and 2-5% for DHA
11. Vegetarians have 30% lower levels of EPA & DHA than omnivores, while vegans have 50% lower EPA and nearly 60% lower DHA. (11) Moreover, the conversion of ALA to DHA depends on zinc, iron and pyridoxine - nutrients which vegetarians and vegans are less likely than omnivores to get enough of.
12. Vegetarians and omnivores have similar levels of serum iron, but levels of ferritin - the long-term storage form of iron - are lower in vegetarians than in omnivores.
13. This is significant, because ferritin depletion is the first stage of iron deficiency. Moreover, although vegetarians often have similar iron intakes to omnivores on paper, it is more common for vegetarians (and particularly vegans) to be iron deficient. For example, this study of 75 vegan women in Germany found that 40% of them were iron deficient, despite average iron intakes that were above the recommended daily allowance.
14. Vegetarian diets have been shown to reduce non-heme iron absorption by 70% and total iron absorption by 85%.
15. Perhaps the biggest problem with vegetarian and vegan diets, however, is their near total lack of two fat-soluble vitamins: A and D. Fat-soluble vitamins play numerous and critical roles in human health.
16. These important fat-soluble vitamins are concentrated, and in some cases found almost exclusively, in animal foods: primarily seafood, organ meats, eggs and dairy products. Some obscure. species of mushrooms can provide large amounts of vitamin D, but these mushrooms are rarely consumed and often difficult to obtain. (This explains why vitamin D levels are 58% lower in vegetarians and 74% lower in vegans than in omnivores)
17. See links to all these reports in the video description.