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As you know, I make videos trying to enlighten people about the real threats against Europe. And in this context I have criticized Christianity a lot. So I thought it would be fair to give a Christian nationalist the chance to express his views on my channel. How will that go? Let's find out.
- First of all, I wish to welcome you to Bucketvarg. You've been on my channel one time before, and welcome.
- Thank you very much. I prefer the term Crusadervarg, but that's okay. Hallelujah!
- You brought some maps to show us how Islam is a threat to Europe, and how Islam has been a very aggressive religion, whilst Christianity has not been.
- Yes, as these maps show,
Islam has been a very aggressive religion throughout time, and Christianity has not been. Christianity is the true religion of peace.
- Okay, so why are you Christian? Why do you embrace Christianity?
- I embrace Christianity, because Christianity is a wall against Islam.
- And who told you that?
- Well, guys like Stefan Molyneux, Brother Nathaniel, you know, guys like that.
- Did you say guys or goys? I didn't quite get it here.
- I said guys. Why?
- Sorry, I was just asking because those guys are definitely not goys, so to speak. Continue. Okay, so you embrace Christianity because these guys told you that it's a wall against Islam. But you just showed me a map of aggression by Islam, showing how aggressive Islam is, but the same map showed that the Christians have not attacked the Muslims very much at all, have they? When the Christians are being attacked over and over again, as shown by this map, and they are not actually doing a lot of attacking against the Muslims, why do you think, that Christianity is a wall against Islam?
- But we was Crusaders and shit.
- Yes, you were indeed, and the attacks shown on this map truly shows how the Christians were attacking the Muslims during the Crusades. However, what about the Baltic Crusade, where the Christians genocided the Prussians, the pagan European Prussians? What about the Swedish Crusade, where the Christians Swedes genocided the Finns?
- I have not heard about that Crusade. - What about the Crusades against the Cathars, where the Christians completely, down to the last man, murdered every single Cathar?
- Cathars?
- Yes, Cathars, they were Christians, another type of Christianity, but still they were Christians, and they were completely exterminated by other Christians. And the same is of course the case for the Bogomils in Bosnia, and other Christians as well. So are these the Crusades you are talking about?
- No, I'm talking about the Four Big Crusades against the Muslims.
- You are correct, the Four Big Crusades were indeed against the Muslims. They were targeted at taking back the Holy Land from the Muslims. However, the Fourth Crusade, originally intended to be a Crusade to take back the Holy Land from the Muslims, ended up actually being a Crusade against the Byzantium Empire. And the Catholic Crusaders sacked Constantinople, the capital of the Orthodox Church, and also raped the nuns and plundered the monasteries and burned the Orthodox Churches.
- Well, Brother Nathaniel didn't say anything about that.
- OK, let's change the subject. You talk about Christianity as a wall against Islam, but how do you explain that the East Roman Empire, the Byzantium, lost the entire Middle-Eastern territory to basically just a bunch of Arab tribes? The vast Christian Empire was not even able to hold back a few Muslim Arab tribes? I mean, they didn't defend Christendom very well, did they? They just lost to a bunch of tribes, tribesmen, nomadic tribesmen. As your map shows us, the Christians didn't actually attack the Muslims a lot, did they? And do you know why Islam was actually stopped from expanding at one point?
- Crusaders?
- No, the Mongol horde arrived and completely destroyed the Muslims in Baghdad. And basically crushed the Muslims and made them impotent for a long time. In fact, the Arabs have never since recovered. And Islam didn't start to spread for real again until the Mongols themselves adopted Islam. And they did, they were pagans, because it was a very efficient political tool and it enabled them to be even more aggressive. And they completely crushed the Byzantian Empire and they took basically half of Eastern Europe, whilst the Christians were busy infighting and attacking non-Christian Europeans. And considering the aggressive nature of Islam that you just sort of proved with your map showing how aggressive they've been, wouldn't Islam have done a much better job at defending Europe than Christendom would?
- Deus vult! We was crusaders and shit!
- Also, your argument that the Christians defended Europe when they were attacked, because the Christians didn't actually attack the Muslims a lot, did they? But when they were attacked, you say that they defended Europe. But wouldn't they have defended themselves regardless of religion? Wouldn't they have defended themselves if they were Hindus or Buddhists or pagans of another type? Or atheists for that sake? Aren't Europeans basically defending themselves regardless of their religion?
- I guess so.
- So Christianity had really nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Europeans defended themselves against Muslim aggression. Also, the aggressive wars that the Christians fought against the Muslims, like you said, the Crusades, they were not about defending Europe at all, were they? They were all about taking the Holy Land from the Muslims. And when you finally got your hands on the Holy Land, the British Empire did, you just handed it over to the Jews, didn't you?
- Yeah, but that was because of the Holocaust, wasn't it?
- I guess it was. Okay, we'll change the subject again. I want to talk a little bit about Christianity itself, because you say you embrace Christianity.
- Indeed I do. Hallelujah!
So let me read a little piece from the Bible and give me your opinion on what I read. In fact I'm not gonna read, I didn't bother to print it out, I'm just gonna put it on a text here.
- Yes, that's from the Bible, and there are a lot of pieces like this in the Bible, you don't know the Bible?
- Well, not really, no, I haven't really read the Bible yet, but I will, and I will also start going to church.
- Okay, so you embrace Christianity, but you don't really know what's in the Bible?
- Yeah?
- Okay, you are aware that Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion, right?
- No, Christianity is a European religion. Jesus was a ginger Anglo-Saxon.
- No, he wasn't, he was Jewish, he was from a tribe from Judea, so that would be, he was Jewish, he was Middle Eastern. Christianity is not a European religion at all, it's just like Islam really, it's from the Middle East. Sorry.
- Christianity is what built Western civilization.
- Well, did it really? I mean, didn't the Romans do that?
- Yeah, and the Romans were Christian.
- The Romans were pagans when they built civilization in Europe. What the Christians contributed with was the destruction of all of this in Europe.
Architecture:
Stone buildings that had been built extensively for private and public purposes were now limited to military and ecclesiastical structures. Existing public buildings (forums, libraries, odeons, theatres, museums, stadia, hippodromes, circuses, schools, gymnasia, temples, baths, Roman amphitheatres etc.) were often vandalised or destroyed. Many building techniques were forgotten.
Education:
Where even the poor had been taught to read and write in pagan times, and the rich had been expected to build public schools, education became a Church monopoly, and was denied to all except prospective priests and sons of the rich. The syllabus was restricted to Christian indoctrination
Dance:
Dance was prohibited as pagan and tending to promote lust.
History:
Factual history was replaced by fabrications and propaganda (such as "legends"), except for sympathetic chronicles that did not reflect badly on the Church. Unsympathetic or objective histories were "lost".
Law:
Law was converted from an instrument of justice to a system featuring trials by ordeal, frequently serving the interests of the Church and denying the principles of natural justice. Inequality was a fundamental principle of ecclesiastical law.
Literature:
All literature, including the Bible, was banned to the population at large. The few who were allowed to learn to read were restricted to prayer books and Christian Legends presented as fact. Other books were generally destroyed or hidden away in monasteries.
Mathematics:
This was limited within the Church to the arithmetic necessary to calculate the date of Easter. Otherwise it was treated with suspicion or hostility.
Medicine:
All medical progress was halted. Illness was considered to be a punishment for sin. Hygiene and public health were abandoned as unchristian
Music & Singing:
Music and singing were periodically restricted to Church music. Otherwise they were regarded as satanic. Classical opera died out under the Christian hegemony — it was re-introduced in the sixteenth century.
Natural history:
The study of nature, popular in the ancient world, stagnated until the Enlightenment. Research was suppressed until then because the Church insisted on a literal interpretation of the Bible and its infallibility as a handbook of all world knowledge.
Painting and Art:
All representation was first banned, then restricted to religious themes from the fifth century. Existing non- Christian art was destroyed. The rules of perspective, known in ancient times, were "lost" until rediscovered by Brunelleschi at the dawn of the Renaissance. In 1563, the Council of Trent confirmed Art as a conformist naturalistic propaganda tool.
Philosophy:
A Church monopoly was established. The subject was then reduced to scholasticism. Existing philosophical works were destroyed. Genuine philosophers were censored, persecuted and sometimes killed. No significant progress (except by "heretics") was to take place from the murder of Hypatia until Cosimo de Medici revived ancient philosophy with his Platonic Academy in Florence
Public Service:
The charitable endowment of public buildings (schools, libraries, theatres, sports stadia, baths, horse racing cources, etc.) ceased almost completely when the Church enjoyed total control. Almost every village in Europe has a medieval church, generally built in better materials than any other local building.A vanishingly small number have comparable church built schools, hospitals or other useful public buildings. The first modern public library was founded by Cosimo de' Medici, "godfather" to the Renaissance.
Sculpture:
Non-religious sculpture ceased to be produced. The best examples from antiquity were "lost". Inferior material was produced for the Church, generally for propaganda purposes. Nothing comparable in quality to classical work was produced until the Renaissance.
Sport:
Sports were suppressed, along with international sporting events. They were replaced by various kinds of animal torture and pastimes too local to be controlled by the Church.
Theatre:
Acting was banned, except for propaganda purposes: religious ceremonies, mystery plays and morality plays.
Infrastructure:
Streets and viaducts were used but not maintained. They survived into secular times only because they had been so well built.
Public Health:
Public baths, sophisticated aquaducts and sewers were all destroyed or allowed to fall into desuetude (the only exception being baths which were preserved in monasteries for the use of monks)
- Our entire culture is Christian. Everything in our Western civilization is Christian.
- Christianity is not Western at all. Christianity did not build Western civilization. And Christianity mainly and almost exclusively attacked other Christians and Pagan Europeans.
- But Christianity has been here for so long that it has become a part of our identity. We are Christians. Being European is being Christian.
- What about the Bosnians and Albanians? Aren't they Europeans?
- Yeah, but what has that got to do with anything?
- They are Muslims.[1]Did your brain just short-circuit? Hello? Are you there?
- Deus Vult! Hallelujah! We was crusaders and shit! We have to protect Christian! Western civilization!
- Okay. I don't think talking sense into him is gonna work, so we'll leave it with that. Thank you for watching. Bye bye.
- First of all, I wish to welcome you to Bucketvarg. You've been on my channel one time before, and welcome.
- Thank you very much. I prefer the term Crusadervarg, but that's okay. Hallelujah!
- You brought some maps to show us how Islam is a threat to Europe, and how Islam has been a very aggressive religion, whilst Christianity has not been.
- Yes, as these maps show,
Islam has been a very aggressive religion throughout time, and Christianity has not been. Christianity is the true religion of peace.
- Okay, so why are you Christian? Why do you embrace Christianity?
- I embrace Christianity, because Christianity is a wall against Islam.
- And who told you that?
- Well, guys like Stefan Molyneux, Brother Nathaniel, you know, guys like that.
- Did you say guys or goys? I didn't quite get it here.
- I said guys. Why?
- Sorry, I was just asking because those guys are definitely not goys, so to speak. Continue. Okay, so you embrace Christianity because these guys told you that it's a wall against Islam. But you just showed me a map of aggression by Islam, showing how aggressive Islam is, but the same map showed that the Christians have not attacked the Muslims very much at all, have they? When the Christians are being attacked over and over again, as shown by this map, and they are not actually doing a lot of attacking against the Muslims, why do you think, that Christianity is a wall against Islam?
- But we was Crusaders and shit.
- Yes, you were indeed, and the attacks shown on this map truly shows how the Christians were attacking the Muslims during the Crusades. However, what about the Baltic Crusade, where the Christians genocided the Prussians, the pagan European Prussians? What about the Swedish Crusade, where the Christians Swedes genocided the Finns?
- I have not heard about that Crusade. - What about the Crusades against the Cathars, where the Christians completely, down to the last man, murdered every single Cathar?
- Cathars?
- Yes, Cathars, they were Christians, another type of Christianity, but still they were Christians, and they were completely exterminated by other Christians. And the same is of course the case for the Bogomils in Bosnia, and other Christians as well. So are these the Crusades you are talking about?
- No, I'm talking about the Four Big Crusades against the Muslims.
- You are correct, the Four Big Crusades were indeed against the Muslims. They were targeted at taking back the Holy Land from the Muslims. However, the Fourth Crusade, originally intended to be a Crusade to take back the Holy Land from the Muslims, ended up actually being a Crusade against the Byzantium Empire. And the Catholic Crusaders sacked Constantinople, the capital of the Orthodox Church, and also raped the nuns and plundered the monasteries and burned the Orthodox Churches.
- Well, Brother Nathaniel didn't say anything about that.
- OK, let's change the subject. You talk about Christianity as a wall against Islam, but how do you explain that the East Roman Empire, the Byzantium, lost the entire Middle-Eastern territory to basically just a bunch of Arab tribes? The vast Christian Empire was not even able to hold back a few Muslim Arab tribes? I mean, they didn't defend Christendom very well, did they? They just lost to a bunch of tribes, tribesmen, nomadic tribesmen. As your map shows us, the Christians didn't actually attack the Muslims a lot, did they? And do you know why Islam was actually stopped from expanding at one point?
- Crusaders?
- No, the Mongol horde arrived and completely destroyed the Muslims in Baghdad. And basically crushed the Muslims and made them impotent for a long time. In fact, the Arabs have never since recovered. And Islam didn't start to spread for real again until the Mongols themselves adopted Islam. And they did, they were pagans, because it was a very efficient political tool and it enabled them to be even more aggressive. And they completely crushed the Byzantian Empire and they took basically half of Eastern Europe, whilst the Christians were busy infighting and attacking non-Christian Europeans. And considering the aggressive nature of Islam that you just sort of proved with your map showing how aggressive they've been, wouldn't Islam have done a much better job at defending Europe than Christendom would?
- Deus vult! We was crusaders and shit!
- Also, your argument that the Christians defended Europe when they were attacked, because the Christians didn't actually attack the Muslims a lot, did they? But when they were attacked, you say that they defended Europe. But wouldn't they have defended themselves regardless of religion? Wouldn't they have defended themselves if they were Hindus or Buddhists or pagans of another type? Or atheists for that sake? Aren't Europeans basically defending themselves regardless of their religion?
- I guess so.
- So Christianity had really nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Europeans defended themselves against Muslim aggression. Also, the aggressive wars that the Christians fought against the Muslims, like you said, the Crusades, they were not about defending Europe at all, were they? They were all about taking the Holy Land from the Muslims. And when you finally got your hands on the Holy Land, the British Empire did, you just handed it over to the Jews, didn't you?
- Yeah, but that was because of the Holocaust, wasn't it?
- I guess it was. Okay, we'll change the subject again. I want to talk a little bit about Christianity itself, because you say you embrace Christianity.
- Indeed I do. Hallelujah!
So let me read a little piece from the Bible and give me your opinion on what I read. In fact I'm not gonna read, I didn't bother to print it out, I'm just gonna put it on a text here.
22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, the shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him."- Holy Jesus motherfucking Christ. Is that in the Bible?
23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this outrageous thing.
24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But as for this man, don't do such an outrageous thing."
25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go.
26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight.
27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold.
28 He said to her, "Get up; let's go." But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.
- From "Judges 19"
- Yes, that's from the Bible, and there are a lot of pieces like this in the Bible, you don't know the Bible?
- Well, not really, no, I haven't really read the Bible yet, but I will, and I will also start going to church.
- Okay, so you embrace Christianity, but you don't really know what's in the Bible?
- Yeah?
- Okay, you are aware that Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion, right?
- No, Christianity is a European religion. Jesus was a ginger Anglo-Saxon.
- No, he wasn't, he was Jewish, he was from a tribe from Judea, so that would be, he was Jewish, he was Middle Eastern. Christianity is not a European religion at all, it's just like Islam really, it's from the Middle East. Sorry.
- Christianity is what built Western civilization.
- Well, did it really? I mean, didn't the Romans do that?
- Yeah, and the Romans were Christian.
- The Romans were pagans when they built civilization in Europe. What the Christians contributed with was the destruction of all of this in Europe.
<...> the popes want only ruined more of ancient Rome than Goths or Saracens had ever managedFate under Christian hegemony
- Guidebook to Rome.
Architecture:
Stone buildings that had been built extensively for private and public purposes were now limited to military and ecclesiastical structures. Existing public buildings (forums, libraries, odeons, theatres, museums, stadia, hippodromes, circuses, schools, gymnasia, temples, baths, Roman amphitheatres etc.) were often vandalised or destroyed. Many building techniques were forgotten.
Education:
Where even the poor had been taught to read and write in pagan times, and the rich had been expected to build public schools, education became a Church monopoly, and was denied to all except prospective priests and sons of the rich. The syllabus was restricted to Christian indoctrination
Dance:
Dance was prohibited as pagan and tending to promote lust.
History:
Factual history was replaced by fabrications and propaganda (such as "legends"), except for sympathetic chronicles that did not reflect badly on the Church. Unsympathetic or objective histories were "lost".
Law:
Law was converted from an instrument of justice to a system featuring trials by ordeal, frequently serving the interests of the Church and denying the principles of natural justice. Inequality was a fundamental principle of ecclesiastical law.
Literature:
All literature, including the Bible, was banned to the population at large. The few who were allowed to learn to read were restricted to prayer books and Christian Legends presented as fact. Other books were generally destroyed or hidden away in monasteries.
Mathematics:
This was limited within the Church to the arithmetic necessary to calculate the date of Easter. Otherwise it was treated with suspicion or hostility.
Medicine:
All medical progress was halted. Illness was considered to be a punishment for sin. Hygiene and public health were abandoned as unchristian
Music & Singing:
Music and singing were periodically restricted to Church music. Otherwise they were regarded as satanic. Classical opera died out under the Christian hegemony — it was re-introduced in the sixteenth century.
Natural history:
The study of nature, popular in the ancient world, stagnated until the Enlightenment. Research was suppressed until then because the Church insisted on a literal interpretation of the Bible and its infallibility as a handbook of all world knowledge.
Painting and Art:
All representation was first banned, then restricted to religious themes from the fifth century. Existing non- Christian art was destroyed. The rules of perspective, known in ancient times, were "lost" until rediscovered by Brunelleschi at the dawn of the Renaissance. In 1563, the Council of Trent confirmed Art as a conformist naturalistic propaganda tool.
Philosophy:
A Church monopoly was established. The subject was then reduced to scholasticism. Existing philosophical works were destroyed. Genuine philosophers were censored, persecuted and sometimes killed. No significant progress (except by "heretics") was to take place from the murder of Hypatia until Cosimo de Medici revived ancient philosophy with his Platonic Academy in Florence
Public Service:
The charitable endowment of public buildings (schools, libraries, theatres, sports stadia, baths, horse racing cources, etc.) ceased almost completely when the Church enjoyed total control. Almost every village in Europe has a medieval church, generally built in better materials than any other local building.A vanishingly small number have comparable church built schools, hospitals or other useful public buildings. The first modern public library was founded by Cosimo de' Medici, "godfather" to the Renaissance.
Sculpture:
Non-religious sculpture ceased to be produced. The best examples from antiquity were "lost". Inferior material was produced for the Church, generally for propaganda purposes. Nothing comparable in quality to classical work was produced until the Renaissance.
Sport:
Sports were suppressed, along with international sporting events. They were replaced by various kinds of animal torture and pastimes too local to be controlled by the Church.
Theatre:
Acting was banned, except for propaganda purposes: religious ceremonies, mystery plays and morality plays.
Infrastructure:
Streets and viaducts were used but not maintained. They survived into secular times only because they had been so well built.
Public Health:
Public baths, sophisticated aquaducts and sewers were all destroyed or allowed to fall into desuetude (the only exception being baths which were preserved in monasteries for the use of monks)
- Our entire culture is Christian. Everything in our Western civilization is Christian.
- Christianity is not Western at all. Christianity did not build Western civilization. And Christianity mainly and almost exclusively attacked other Christians and Pagan Europeans.
- But Christianity has been here for so long that it has become a part of our identity. We are Christians. Being European is being Christian.
- What about the Bosnians and Albanians? Aren't they Europeans?
- Yeah, but what has that got to do with anything?
- They are Muslims.[1]Did your brain just short-circuit? Hello? Are you there?
- Deus Vult! Hallelujah! We was crusaders and shit! We have to protect Christian! Western civilization!
- Okay. I don't think talking sense into him is gonna work, so we'll leave it with that. Thank you for watching. Bye bye.
- And have been for about 500 years.